Mr. Pic.

This is not familiar at all, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That is the 831 Pauline Street address is not at all familiar?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Is any of this application blank, that is any of the longhand on it, in the hand of your mother other than her signature?

Mr. Pic.

I wouldn't know, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Your religion is Lutheran, is it not?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And you were baptized in the Lutheran church, were you not?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Your recollection is that your brother Lee was taken from the orphanage home before you and Robert were?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You were released in June of 1944?

Mr. Pic.

I have-- I may have. If you say it was June, sir, OK. It was May or June.

Mr. Jenner.

May or June of 1944. And does it refresh your recollection that your brother Lee was released from that home the previous January, as a matter of fact on--

Mr. Pic.

He didn't go when we went and he didn't leave, all I know is he didn't enter when we entered and he didn't leave when we left. It was between those periods the best I can state.

Mr. Jenner.

The record (Pic Exhibit) shows he was released from the home on the 19th of January, 1944 (Pic Exhibit No. 2A), and that he entered the home on the 26th of December, 1942 (Pic Exhibit No. 2). So he was there 2 years.

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; that is not right.

Mr. Jenner.

That doesn't square with your recollection, you mean?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir. He may have been in .and out of there off and on but he didn't spend full time there that long. You see she may have pulled him out there for a couple of weeks to stay with the Murrets, and things or even longer and still have him charged against Bethlehem.

Mr. Jenner.

I misspoke when I said 2 years. It would be the period from December 26, 1942, to January 29, 1944, which is 1 year and 1 month.

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; that would only be a year and 1 month.

Mr. Jenner.

For the record then that span of time for your brother between January 29, 1944, when he was released, and December 26, 1942, when he entered is approximately 13 months.

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That is about what you remember, isn't it?

Mr. Pic.

Well, I remember it about 6 months. But I guess that is right. I know he wasn't in there a full 13 months at a clip. He was in and out of there in 13 months. At that school if your parents wanted to take you home for a couple or 3 weeks they took you home for a couple or 3 weeks.

Mr. Jenner.

And you do remember your mother did that?

Mr. Pic.

Sure, I am sure he stayed at the Murrets also.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, the Murrets recall that. Now, I show you an exhibit which we will identify as John Pic Exhibit No. 4 which for purposes of identification is a Xerox duplication of a letter from Mrs. Marguerite Oswald to the Reverend Harold of the Evangelical Lutheran Orphanage Asylum dated February 1, 1945, addressed 4801 Victor, Dallas, Tex.
It is in longhand. Would you please examine it for the purpose of answering a question I will put to you as to whether it is in the handwriting of your mother?

Mr. Pic.

It appears to me, sir; to be her handwriting.

Mr. Jenner.

I offer in evidence John Pic Exhibit No. 4. (John Pic Exhibit No. 4 was marked for identification.)

Mr. Jenner.

I have marked as John Pic Exhibit No. 5 another application for admission to Evangelical Lutheran Bethlehem Orphan Asylum Association dated December 23, 1942, for the admission of John Edward Pic and Robert Oswald to that orphanage, but the information on the application is confined to John Edward Pic.