Mr. Jenner.

Were there occasions when you saw either of the Oswalds at your father's home?

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Were there occasions when your father and your stepmother brought either of the Oswalds to your apartment other than those you have already testified about?

Mrs. Gibson.

Not that I recall, no.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall seeing Oswald on the day before he moved into the YMCA? He moved into the YMCA on Monday, October 15. Did you see him the previous day, Sunday?

Mrs. Gibson.

I don't know. I really don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

But you do recall taking him to the YMCA?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mrs. Jenner.

On Monday, the 15th?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; we might have. I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you go and pick up Oswald at Mrs. Hall's when you took him to the YMCA, or did he just come by your apartment?

Mrs. Gibson.

I can't remember where we picked him up, but I know we didn't go to Fort Worth to pick him up, no. It could have been at the bus station.

Mr. Jenner.

But you went somewhere to pick him up is your recollection?

Mrs. Gibson.

We could have gone somewhere. He could have come to our apartment. I don't recall.

Mr. Jenner.

You were aware of Marina staying with the Halls?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Hall?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you aware of her going to attend to Mrs. Hall; to do that before she actually went to live with Mrs. Hall?

Mrs. Gibson.

I might have heard something about it from my father. I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

But you did not hear it from Mrs. Hall?

Mrs. Gibson.

I didn't know Mrs. Hall until I met her through Marina.

Mr. Jenner.

After Marina.

Mrs. Gibson.

When I went to visit there.

Mr. Jenner.

That is when you went to visit Marina while she was staying at the Hall's?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; when Lee and Gary and I went over there. That is the first time I ever met her. But she was very friendly because she knew my father, you know, and so it was a very friendly atmosphere. Did Mrs. Hall give a fixed time of when Marina stayed with her?

Mr. Jenner.

I can't say it was a fixed time, but she testified that it was before she had her automobile accident.

Mrs. Gibson.

Well, what I am trying to fix in my mind is when Marina stayed with me, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

That is the 3 or 4 days?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I can't fix that in my mind at all now. I thought it was when he was at the YMCA and then it couldn't have been because of when the baby was baptized and when his birthday was. But it must have been shortly before that, because it wasn't after that. So it must have been before.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, it wasn't on the 14th of October because you took him to the YMCA on the 15th. Was Marina living with you then?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; not then, no. But she might have been shortly before that. I believe she was at Mrs. Hall's then, wasn't she. Doesn't she know where she was?

Mr. Jenner.

Well, she has got some impressions; yes.

Mrs. Gibson.

I hope she does.

Mr. Jenner.

I am trying to find out what you recall.

Mrs. Gibson.

Well, you know, I can't recall when she was there. I know when she wasn't there now more than I did before, from placing his birthday and the

box and that, I know she wasn't there then.

Mr. Jenner.

Wasn't where?

Mrs. Gibson.

At my place. I know she wasn't there then, because she came