Mr. Jenner.

I am a little bit confused. He came by the next day, that is the

day after Mrs. Hall and Marina were there?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And he came by to pick up his birthday gifts?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

At that occasion you didn't say anything to him about the baptism?

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Therefore, at some subsequent occasion--

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

After that--

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

There was a discussion?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I think it was probably the day after that that he dropped by and he asked me about this. He asked me if they had been there, and I said yes. He says, "Why didn't you tell me?"

Mr. Jenner.

Why you didn't tell him what?

Mrs. Gibson.

That they had ,been there and that the baby had been baptized, and I said that it was none of my business.

Mr. Jenner.

The thing that confuses me a little bit is he came by and picked up the birthday gift.

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Nothing was said about baptism.

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

On that occasion.

Mrs. Gibson.

No, no; I think he--

Mr. Jenner.

Therefore, he must have known or inquired as to where you got the birthday gift, correct?

Mrs. Gibson.

I don't recall. I think I had some story fixed up for that. Mrs. Hall, I think, told me to tell him that she had been by, or something. I can't remember what it was, but she had some story, you know, for how come I had that.

Mr. Jenner.

That would explain that, then.

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I don't, you know, really remember what was said exactly.

Mr. Jenner.

The day following that occasion--

Mrs. Gibson.

I did not tell him that I had seen Marina, though.

Mr. Jenner.

Is when he approached you on the subject?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Of the baptism and why you hadn't told him?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What did you say to him?

Mrs. Gibson.

I told him it was none of my business, and he wasn't too happy about it.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say about the fact that June had been baptized?

Mrs. Gibson.

Not too much. He wasn't really that upset about it. He just said he didn't like the idea, but that was all. He wasn't terribly upset about it.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Gibson, was he upset because the baby ,had been baptized in the Russian Orthodox Church rather than the Lutheran Church, for example?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; he was an atheist. He just didn't want anything to do with religion.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you and your husband have discussions with him on the subject of religion?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And what were his views on the subject of religion?

Mrs. Gibson.

He didn't believe in it. He didn't believe in God. He didn't believe in anything.

Mr. Jenner.

And did that discussion occur reasonably often, on more than one occasion?

Mrs. Gibson.

Oh, it was mentioned in with politics. You know how that can get. The two subjects you are not supposed to talk about we talked about probably the most.