Mr. Jenner.

And you boys were then attending school where?

Mr. Pic.

Washington.

Mr. Jenner.

When I say you boys, it is your brother Robert and yourself.

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; I am sure Robert was attending school then. It was Washington.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes. Your brother Robert entered grammar school on September 8, 1938. That was William Frantz so he was of school age at the time we are talking about.
Describe that little house to us on Bartholomew. Was it a new house?

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; it wasn't new. I guess it had about a minimum of two bedrooms, rather large back yard. We had a dog, and the dog's name was Sunshine. There was a fence ran down it. I remember the house.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it a nice neighborhood?

Mr. Pic.

It wasn't as nice as Alvez and Galvez.

Mr. Jenner.

At that time. I see. Now, you lead me to ask something I should have asked heretofore, tell me about the neighborhood at 2109 Alvar. What do you recall about that?

Mr. Pic.

They were all brand new houses. In fact, I think we were the first ones to move in on the street, and most of the other ones were under construction there. William Frantz was building a new school. It was a rather nice neighborhood. Middle income, I guess, at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

And the 1010 Bartholomew home was not as new and the neighborhood was not quite the same as at 2109 Alvar, but what kind of a neighborhood was it? Was it a reasonably nice place, area? You describe it. Don't ever let me put words in your mouth.

Mr. Pic.

Well, digging back in my sociology courses, I would say it was upper-lower class, if there is such a classification.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you remember any neighbors at 1010 Bartholomew?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; there was a milkman, his name was Bud. Right on the other corner from Bartholomew, on St. Cloud was a theater, I think was called the Nola, and he lived behind this theater, he was our milkman, and my mother and his wife and him were rather friendly, and we used to go on trips on the weekends to the parks and things like this.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I ask you again what you recall to have been the circumstances under which you entered the Bethlehem Orphanage, you and your brother Robert?

Mr. Pic.

I can only give you impressions, I have now, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Are these impressions that you gained now, gained from an attempt to refresh your recollection?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

As to the circumstances at that time?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Pic.

I think properly the notion store wasn't a booming business, and she had to go to work and since we were reminded we were orphans all the time, the right place to be would be in an orphan home.

Mr. Jenner.

Your mother did remind you repeatedly that you were orphans?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That sort of thing. Would you elaborate on that, please?

Mr. Pic.

Well, sir; she constantly reminded us we were orphans, that she didn't have the money to support us in everything, and she opened a notion store to make money, and she wasn't making money, and I remember she closed it and went to work at about the same time that we entered Bethlehem.

Mr. Jenner.

In January 1942, Lee was a little over 2 years old, is that correct; he was born October 1939. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You were then 10 and your brother Robert was 8, I am talking about approximate ages now. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

I think you entered Bethlehem before your tenth birthday.

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.