Mr. Geraci.

He did seem like--I guess he did seem like the type who was a little antisocial.

Mr. Liebeler.

He didn't seem to be too friendly?

Mr. Geraci.

No. He seemed friendly. I mean, he seemed friendly, you know. but he--maybe like he didn't have enough experience with people, sort of. He seemed friendly though. That is one thing.

Mr. Liebeler.

I don't have any other questions.

Mrs. Geraci.

Do you have a record of me reporting Carlos to the FBI? Do you have that in the record anywhere where I found out--he told me he was going to collect money for Cuba, but I didn't know he was giving out these little tickets as he called them, and then when I found out he had collected $10 and brought it down and I saw the receipts and he had more tickets, we forbade him to go down there, and Carlos called the house to try to get him a--what is it--a license or permit to go from house to house and collect money.

Mr. Geraci.

He never called me.

Mrs. Geraci.

He did call me.

Mr. Geraci.

He called you? Carlos?

Mrs. Geraci.

I spoke with him on the phone.

Mr. Geraci.

That is because I told him when I collected, a man told me to do something like that, that I needed a license, so I went and told Carlos, "You have to get a license." He said, "Don't collect any more until I get one." Then he went to city hall and got some stuff he had to fill out.

Mr. Liebeler.

This wasn't Oswald who told you you couldn't collect?

Mr. Geraci.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Oswald didn't have anything to do with this?

Mr. Geraci.

No; this was before I knew Oswald. This is a man works some place--who works in a cleaner's, I remember. I went there and he said I had to get a license to do that, so I called Carlos on the phone and told him.

Mrs. Geraci.

Then when Carlos called the house, I realized he was still involved in this.

Mr. Geraci.

I told you I was.

Mrs. Geraci.

I put my foot down and told him he couldn't do it any more, and I called the FBI.

Mr. Geraci.

And the Better Business Bureau.

Mrs. Geraci.

They told me to call the Better Business Bureau, but the man at the FBI told me he couldn't give out any information as to whether this was a Communist organization or not, and the headquarters were in Miami, and the best thing to do would be not to let him get involved in it any more. Then I called the Better Business Bureau, and they were supposed to check with Miami, but I never did get a report back from him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was this before or after you met Oswald?

Mr. Geraci.

This was before.

Mrs. Geraci.

But he has the receipt at home with the date on it. When he gave Carlos money, Carlos gave him a receipt.

Mr. Geraci.

I remember Carlos making out a check to give the money to Miami too. When I gave him the money, he put the money in his bank and made out a check to the headquarters.

Mrs. Geraci.

We met Carlos just now in the hall, and he told me the best thing Philip could do would be listen to his parents and be a good student. Right now that would be the way he could help combat communism. And I told him I thought he was too young to get involved in things like this, selling tickets for Cuba and all this stuff. Last year he was only 15 and too young to be involved in all that mess. The man at the FBI told me that an organization could be all right today and next week it would be Communist-controlled and how was I to know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know who you talked to at the FBI?

Mrs. Geraci.

Gee, I may have his name at home with these slips of paper that I took from him.

Mr. Liebeler.

It is not really important. I just wondered if you remembered.

Mrs. Geraci.

Well, I wanted his name cleared for getting mixed up with Carlos, because I didn't know from beans about Carlos. He could be a Communist. I don't know who is and who isn't. When I found out he met Oswald,