Mr. Bringuier.

as a traitor if he doing something wrong in the debate. When he saw the guidebook for Marines, he smiled to me, and he told me, "Well, listen, Carlos, don't try to do an invasion with that guidebook for Marines, because that is an old one and that will be a failure." That was his joke in that moment. After that we went to the debate, and I think that you have the whole history of the debate, you have the transcription and everything, [so] that I don't have to go inside that, because that is subjective, not objective. You have the objective, and that is the debate.

Mr. Liebeler.

That is right. We do have a transcript and we listened to it on the tape last night over at the television station too.

Mr. Bringuier.

And there is something that I want to show you too. I told to you about the training camp that were across the Lake Pontchartrain.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Bringuier.

[Producing newspaper.] At the beginning of August in the Diario Las Americas from Miami for September 4---

Mr. Liebeler.

For September 4, 1963?

Mr. Bringuier.

That is right. [Indicating photograph.] This is the spy who was inside the training camp. The Christian Democratic Movement turned him over to the FBI, and the FBI was questioning him in Miami. The Christian Democratic Movement found a letter, according to this information, from this guy directed to Carlos Lechuga, former Cuban Ambassador to Mexico and now Cuban Ambassador to the United Nations in New York. In that letter the spy, Fernando Fernandez, was warning Lechuga that they have to be alert from that date to August 8, and the day that Oswald came trying to infiltrate my organization was on August 5. This sounds for me strange in all this matter.
[Indicating.] Here is another interview from Fernandez here 3 days later.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are referring to a copy of the same newspaper but for the date of September 6, 1963, on the front page of which----

Mr. Bringuier.

[Indicating.] Here. "Fernando Fernandez is in favor of coexistence with the Communist regime of Castro." That is the title in Spanish.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me see if I can understand what you are saying. You say that Fernandez wrote a letter to Lechuga?

Mr. Bringuier.

Fernandez wrote a letter to Lechuga in Mexico.

Mr. Liebeler.

Lechuga is a member of the Castro government?

Mr. Bringuier.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

He is now Ambassador to the United Nations?

Mr. Bringuier.

In New York; right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Fernandez is the person who was the Castro spy who had infiltrated the training camp in Louisiana?

Mr. Bringuier.

For the Christian Democratic Movement here in Louisiana.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now the Christian Democratic Movement is--what? Pro-Castro?

Mr. Bringuier.

Anti-Castro.

Mr. Liebeler.

It is an anti-Castro organization?

Mr. Bringuier.

Yes; they were training Cubans over here to make a commando action against Castro, but they find out that there was a Castro spy inside the training camp, and they went back to Miami with the people and with him, and they turn him over to the FBI. I think that after that the leader for the Christian Democratic Movement---or that the FBI didn't found nothing, because was not against the law to spy inside an anti-Castro organization. It was against the law to spy inside the U.S. Government but not inside the anti-Castro organization. And my feeling--and, this is the question that I am asking myself--in New Orleans we are about 900 miles from Miami. In Miami is where the headquarters of all the anti-Castro groups. I could not find any reason for Oswald to come to me and offer me his service to train Cubans in guerrilla warfare at the same moment when there was a secret anti-Castro training camp in New Orleans and a Castro spy was inside that training camp. That for me is--because, if he was willing to infiltrate one active organization, he will go directly to Miami and he will offer his service over there in Miami, but not in New Orleans where it is not publicly known that there was something going on at that moment. I believe that that was the only time here in New Orleans that