Mr. Bogard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did he drive, or did you drive it?

Mr. Bogard.

He drove it.

Mr. Ball.

Drive it right out of the shop, or did you drive it first and then----

Mr. Bogard.

No; he drove it right offhand. He got in driving it.

Mr. Ball.

Did he appear to know how to drive the car?

Mr. Bogard.

Well, he had drove before, I'm sure, because he took off.

Mr. Ball.

Did he----

Mr. Bogard.

He might have drove a little reckless, but other than that, he knew how to drive.

Mr. Ball.

What do you mean, "He might have drove it a little reckless"?

Mr. Bogard.

Well, going 60 and 70 relies an hour right up a Freeway and took curves kind of fast.

Mr. Ball.

Did it appear to you that he knew how to handle the car?

Mr. Bogard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Now, when you got back to the showroom you say you did some figuring. What kind of figuring?

Mr. Bogard.

Just took out some papers and going to write up how much the car would cost and, just like with anybody else, just trying to close the deal, and he said he would have the money in 2 or 3 weeks and would come in and----

Mr. Ball.

Did you tell him you needed a down payment?

Mr. Bogard.

He said he would have it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you tell him how much?

Mr. Bogard.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

How much?

Mr. Bogard.

Three hundred dollars, I think. And he said he didn't have the money then and would just pay cash for it at a later date.

Mr. Ball.

Did he tell you where he lived?

Mr. Bogard.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did he give you his-didn't give you his address or telephone number?

Mr. Bogard.

No, sir; or occupation.

Mr. Ball.

And he gave you his name, though?

Mr. Bogard.

Lee Oswald.

Mr. Ball.

At what time?

Mr. Bogard.

That is when he was fixing to leave.

Mr. Ball.

Lee Oswald?

Mr. Bogard.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Ball.

You say you wrote it on one of your own cards?

Mr. Bogard.

Yes, sir; back of one of my business cards.

Mr. Ball.

Did you tell anybody about it at that time?

Mr. Bogard.

Now, at that time I don't know whether--Now, Mr. Pizzo, I think I introduced him to him. I introduced him to Mr. Pizzo. He asked what was wrong with him and I said he hasn't got the money right now. Will be back in a couple or 3 weeks.

Mr. Ball.

You introduced him to Pizzo?

Mr. Bogard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And you said this in front of Pizzo that he didn't have the money?

Mr. Bogard.

Yes, sir; he was expecting some money--to have the money in 2 or 3 weeks.

Mr. Ball.

When did you see the television that called your attention to this?

Mr. Bogard.

I heard it on the radio.

Mr. Ball.

You heard it on the radio?

Mr. Bogard.

And then I tore the card up, and that very same night on the 10 o'clock news, I think it was, if I remember correctly, I saw him on TV.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any pictures of Lee Oswald in the newspaper?

Mr. Bogard.

Yes, sir; Dallas Morning News, next morning.

Mr. Ball.

Now, what was your impression when you saw the man on television?

Mr. Bogard.

All my impression was that he had been in and tried to buy a Car, that he wasn't a prospect any more.