Mr. Jenner.

Surely.

Mr. Pizzo.

All the time that I have been thinking about it--because the FBI did tell me that they would call me sometime later and would I appear, and I said--yes, I would. I thought about it and the thing that stuck in my mind was always that hairline--the kind of balding right here--the smooth line.

Mr. Jenner.

Above each temple?

Mr. Pizzo.

And that face resembles.- Now, I'll tell you, if he has--I've never seen the man in person, but if he has a small mouth it would fit about the description that I would give. I couldn't say absolutely sure that this was the man that was standing in front of my door.

Mr. Jenner.

And the witness is now referring to Pizzo Exhibit 453-C. I offer Pizzo Exhibits 453-A, 453-B, and 453 in evidence.

Mr. Pizzo.

May I say something else?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; please.

Mr. Pizzo.

I have called Al Bogard into the office after the first interview by the FBI, and I have asked him--I says, "Now, it is easy for me to start imagining things because of the emotional situation right now, Al. I want you to tell me the truth. Am I right when I say I do remember that situation?" He says, "Yes," and then he went into some more detail--"of course, don't you remember?" I didn't only ask him once, I asked him again a week later, and he said the same thing and that might have had some influence on it. Now, whether that's the man he brought to my door--right now looking at that picture I couldn't swear to it--I wouldn't want to do that.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that's a fair type of an appraisal that we want. We want your best judgment. You don't recall the incident that Bogard related to you later that sought to stimulate your recollection about somebody who drove this automobile wildly--you don't recall that having been said to you on the afternoon?

Mr. Pizzo.

No; I don't--no; I don't. I asked him about it and he told me. I'm the one that was after him to tell me to help me remember. You see, I'm the one that kept asking him about, "Would you help me remember the situation." The more he talked about it, the more I remember that particular situation, but only to the point of "He needs $200 or $300," and he didn't have it at the time but he will have it in a couple of weeks. That's the things that I do remember at the door.

Mr. Jenner.

And you do remember this man had a white T-shirt on--the half-sleeve type?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes. Sleeve type.

Mr. Jenner.

With which you are familiar and wore yourself in the Marines except yours was colored green?

Mr. Pizzo.

It was green--that's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Davis, he has already related to us the effort he made when this incident came to his attention late in the day on the 22d of November of seeking to find Bogard's card on which he is alleged to have written Oswald's name on the reverse side and was to attempt to obtain a writeup sheet, which is what the salesmen normally write up with respect to a prospect, even to the extent of his climbing into the large refuse container in which all paper and waste paper baskets are thrown the following day, and he was not able to find either of those, though they made two examinations and emptied out the large container twice--you did it yourself?

Mr. Pizzo.

I did it myself and once with the FBI. I believe it was the man from Louisiana--one of the FBI men.

Mr. Jenner.

You were interviewed by Carter Hayden and Griffin on January 8, was it either one of those? On January 8, 1964?

Mr. Pizzo.

I was interviewed by two pairs of FBI men--it was immediately after the assassination, which was probably Monday or Tuesday.

Mr. Jenner.

The first time?

Mr. Pizzo.

The first time; but it Wasn't January 8.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that the last one the last interview--January 8?

Mr. Pizzo.

This might have been the last one, although I remember two other men came in from Chicago one was from Chicago one I believe there were three, no, I'm sorry, it was the same two twice and then another team.