Mr. Jenner.

Would you tell us about the incident, first, and then we will become oriented?

Mr. Pizzo.

All right--of course, at the time nothing was thought of the incident because it was just a natural sales setup we had. Our salesmen, when they can't sell a customer a car, they run to the manager and tell him, they'll say, "He's going to leave."

Mr. Jenner.

And that manager in this instance was you?

Mr. Pizzo.

It was me.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Pizzo.

And, I asked to see the man--no, I didn't ask to see him personally--no, I didn't.

Mr. Jenner.

Who was the salesman?

Mr. Pizzo.

Albert G. Bogard.

Mr. Jenner.

The man we have identified here?

Mr. Pizzo.

That's right, sir. He brought the man to me it was quite late in the evening--it wasn't evening, because it was dark.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you remember what day of the week it was?

Mr. Pizzo.

I really don't--really don't.

Mr. Jenner.

It was a weekday?

Mr. Pizzo.

It was a weekday.

Mr. Jenner.

You are open on Sunday?

Mr. Pizzo.

No; we are not open on Sunday.

Mr. Jenner.

Are you open on Saturday?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

It could have been any day in the week?

Mr. Pizzo.

It could have been--it seems to me like it was the middle of the week, towards the weekend, but I couldn't swear to that.

Mr. Jenner.

What month was it?

Mr. Pizzo.

It was November--now.

Mr. Jenner.

November 1963?

Mr. Pizzo.

November 1963--yes; I'm pretty sure it was November. Now, that I can recollect--it was November. When he brought the man to me, he said, "This man will have some money. He doesn't have the down payment," because when we were trying to sell the man a car, he asked me how much money he needed to buy this car and I said, "That man needs around $200 or $300."

Mr. Jenner.

This is Bogard asking you?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes; the salesman asking me. He asked me that and I said it was around $200 or $300, and so he went back to his booth to work on the customer.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, at this point, you had not yet seen the customer?

Mr. Pizzo.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And Mr. Bogard had come to you as assistant sales manager, to find out the minimum, let us say, of the down payment?

Mr. Pizzo.

Of the down payment.

Mr. Jenner.

And he had a man who was interested in what make of car?

Mr. Pizzo.

Now, that's something that I do not remember because there was no writeup sheet that I could go back to to find out exactly what car. I believe it was a Comet.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you made an effort to find a writeup sheet?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes; we did--all of us did.

Mr. Jenner.

And you discovered what?

Mr. Pizzo.

I discovered nothing--no writeup sheet, but the incident that happened later--I'll get to it, if you want me to get to it now, I'll go to it now.

Mr. Jenner.

All fight. I think probably the best thing for you to do would be for you to tell us in your own words, and I'll try not to interrupt you.

Mr. Pizzo.

All right, sir., He brought the customer to me, but previous to that he had taken the customer out on a demonstration ride.

Mr. Jenner.

By the way, this occurred at McAllister Downtown Lincoln Mercury?

Mr. Pizzo.

That's correct. I think it's better if we do call it that--Down-town McAllister Lincoln Mercury, because the exact day of the change of the name, I don't remember, you see.