Mrs. Garner.

No. We never had them before he moved. Whenever we used to spray, we had the pest control, but when he moved out they had plenty of them. They left the place filthy, too.

Mr. Liebeler.

The place was dirty when he left?

Mrs. Garner.

Was it? The icebox was broken, the freezer door was broken off, the stove was broken, the mattress was ruined.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was wrong with the mattress?

Mrs. Garner.

I guess the baby.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether his wife, Marina, liked the apartment?

Mrs. Garner.

I don't know. She never did say anything about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

She never did say anything about it?

Mrs. Garner.

I never did talk to her about any apartment.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you yourself personally see when this station wagon left?

Mrs. Garner.

No; I didn't see it.

Mr. Liebeler.

It arrived late in September 1963?

Mrs. Garner.

I didn't see when it left; no.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was the last time you saw the station wagon, please?

Mrs. Garner.

Well, whatever day that was, Sunday or Monday, whenever they left. It was about that morning. Like I said, early that morning they was packing it up, and then later on through the day between 10 and 11 I looked out there and it was gone.

Mr. Liebeler.

This would be either Sunday or Monday, September 22 or 23? Is that right?

Mrs. Garner.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are not exactly positive which it was?

Mrs. Garner.

I am not sure whether it was Sunday or Monday.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your husband is pretty sure it was Monday.

Mrs. Garner.

He is sure it was Monday; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

The 23d of September.

Mrs. Garner.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you have no recollection that is contrary to that; is that correct?

Mrs. Garner.

No; I haven't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see Oswald leave, when he finally left the apartment?

Mrs. Garner.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know when he left?

Mrs. Garner.

Well, I figure he left that same night, whatever day that wagon left, myself. I don't think he come back. He might have come back in that apartment to get his stuff, whatever he had. I don't think he stayed there that night at all, that's what I believe.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your husband said in the discussion we had with him previously that he heard some noise in the apartment the night the station wagon left.

Mrs. Garner.

He might have heard him packing up stuff getting ready to leave. I don't think he come back after he left that night; I think he left that night.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your husband did say he thought he heard these noises about 7 or 7:30 in the evening. Is that right?

Mrs. Garner.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You say you think the noise he heard was just the noise of Oswald getting his stuff and leaving?

Mrs. Garner.

Yes; getting his stuff to get moving.

Mr. Liebeler.

In any event, you never saw Oswald around the place at all after the day the station wagon left; is that right? Mrs. GARNER. No; I didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you discuss with anybody who lived in the neighborhood or in the apartment house when actually Oswald did leave? When we think about this question, let's first of all confine ourselves to the period of time prior to the assassination. Were you concerned about when Oswald left or how he left, prior to the time of the assassination?

Mrs. Garner.

You mean how he left?