Mrs. Garner.

was coming after the rent. I said, "Oswald, you got the rent? The landlady is coming for the rent." He said, "Yes, I have it."
He was fixing to go to the bus, so he turned around to walk up the drive to go get the money, and I said, "Go on where you have to go; I will get it later," and he just pushed me aside and went by me and went and got the money and handed it to me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he actually push you aside physically?

Mrs. Garner.

Yes, just like that, and I called to him and I said, "Never mind; go where you have to go and I will get it later," and he just took me like this and pushed me aside and just went, you know, just went by me like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

He actually laid his hands on you?

Mrs. Garner.

Put his hands on me just like that, and pushed me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he say anything?

Mrs. Garner.

He didn't say a thing. He come back and gave me the money and that was it.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was the next time you had any----

Mrs. Garner.

Well, I didn't talk to him any more than that, because I noticed how he was, wouldn't answer you when you say good morning or good evening, hello or good morning, so I just never bothered. The only thing, at night he used to come past behind the house and always wore trunks, yellow trunks with thongs, no top shirt and he used to stuff all my garbage cans and all the garbage cans on-the street, and never would talk to anybody, pass right by the door of the apartment of the other people and never did talk to anybody.

Mr. Liebeler.

You never, had any conversation with him after this time when you asked him about the rent?

Mrs. Garner.

No, that's about it. The most I talked to him was when he rented the apartment, that is the day he took it, and that lady done most of the talking. In fact, she had given me her phone number to let me call and let her know how Oswald was doing, and the wife when the wife would come in. I figured what in the world I want that for and I just threw it away and didn't bother with it. I didn't think anything like this was going to come up.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald ever have any visitors to his apartment, do you know?

Mrs. Garner.

Yes. As I said, I never did see anybody else around there myself except this middle-aged man and middle-aged woman like I said that come and picked him up one weekend on a Saturday and come back that Sunday after, because I happened to be sitting on the box and saw them come up.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would this have been in July?

Mrs. Garner.

About in July, I imagine. I know there was a lot of mosquitoes around that time; I think it was July sometime. I am really not sure. It was hot.

Mr. Liebeler.

How many times did these people come to see Oswald?

Mrs. Garner.

That is twice I seen, once I seen both of them come in the evening one night, and they didn't stay very long, but I was sitting outside. And that weekend, it was just him come to pick him up.

Mr. Liebeler.

You saw the man come to pick up Oswald on two different occasions? Is that right?

Mrs. Garner.

One occasion they came.

Mr. Liebeler.

The man was with a woman on one occasion?

Mrs. Garner.

At night one time, and then when he come to pick him up for the weekend he was by himself.

Mr. Liebeler.

Altogether, he was there twice?

Mrs. Garner.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Once by himself?

Mrs. Garner.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And once with a woman; is that right?

Mrs. Garner.

Yes. If they was there before that, I didn't see them.

Mr. Liebeler.

You only saw him come twice?

Mr. Liebeler.

Approximately how old was this man?