(Testimony of M. F. , Sr. Tobias)
Mr. Jenner.
Did you ask him what language that was he was speaking in?
Mr. Tobias.
Well, he came over--when he first came in he told us he was Czech.
Mr. Jenner.
When was this--this 3 weeks other time?
Mr. Tobias.
No; that was after he moved in, and my landlady is Czechoslovakian.
Mr. Jenner.
Your landlady is Czechoslovakian?
Mr. Tobias.
My landlady is Czechoslovakian herself, and so one day when Marion was over at the house, Mrs. Oswald was in there she had come in there and sat down.
Mr. Jenner.
This was an occasion when Marina, or do you mean the landlady, Marion came in?
Mr. Tobias.
I say Mrs. Jurek was there.
Mr. Jenner.
Mrs. Jurek was in your apartment?
Mr. Tobias.
Yes; she came to collect the rent and Mrs. Oswald was in there.
Mr. Jenner.
She was visiting?
Mr. Tobias.
And my wife says, "Mrs. Jurek, Mrs. Oswald is Czechoslovakian." Mrs. Jurek says, "All right, speak something. I'm Czech too." She says, "No, we're not Czech, we're Russian, but my husband doesn't want us say that because people will be mean to us."
Mr. Jenner.
How do you know she said that?
Mr. Tobias.
I was there.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you hear Marina say, "No; I'm not Czech, I'm Russian."
Mr. Tobias.
Yes.
Mr. Jenner.
"And my husband doesn't want people to know that because people will be mean to me?
Mr. Tobias.
Yes.
Mr. Jenner.
She said that much in English so that you would understand it?
Mr. Tobias.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner.
That's quite a bit of English.
Mr. Tobias.
Well, I know. That's what I'm trying to tell you--she knew more English than she let on she did.
Mr. Jenner.
That's of interest to us--she was able to communicate that whole idea to you in English?
Mr. Tobias.
That's right.
Mr. Jenner.
And did she speak some Russian then to this lady?
Mr. Tobias.
No---after she told Mrs. Jurek she was Russian, that was it, because Mrs. Jurek didn't--she was Czech and she didn't know no Russian.
Mr. Jenner.
I take it that Marina visited in your apartment rather frequently?
Mr. Tobias.
Oh, she come over there very seldom--she came over there.
Mr. Jenner.
Very seldom?
Mr. Tobias.
Yes; she come over there a couple of times a week.
Mr. Jenner.
She did come over that often, though?
Mr. Tobias.
Yes; she would come over there and sit and the wife would talk to her, because my wife is a great hand to sew, and she would watch the wife and the little baby would play, but what burned me up---I'm a great lover of children, and when I tried to get next to that little baby sitting in a wheel-chair----
Mr. Jenner.
In a stroller?
Mr. Tobias.
In a stroller and as I would walk up to it and try to talk to it, she just acted as if she was scared to death.
Mr. Jenner.
Is that so--was that unusual?
Mr. Tobias.
Well, it is to me.
Mr. Jenner.
I mean, in your experience?
Mr. Tobias.
Yes; because I haven't found a baby yet that I couldn't take over.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you finally win the baby over?
Mr. Tobias.
No---they didn't stay there that long. That's why he moved--he moved in that trailer, in that stroller.
Mr. Jenner.
When was that?
Mr. Tobias.
That was after--when he left my place. When he moved from
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