from the roof on down and I wouldn't locate him, and I asked him, I said, "Well, where have you been?" And all he would give me was that he was around. I asked him, "Around where?" He says. Just around," and he would turn around and walk off. On one occasion when I was in the shop and I was working on some sort of piece of machinery I can't recall what it was at the present time and he come in the shop and he was standing there by me and watching me and I asked him. I says, "Are you finished all your greasing?" He said yes. So he asked me, said, "Well, can I help you?" I said, "No, what I am doing don't need no help." So he stood there a few minutes, and all of a sudden he said, "You like it here?" I said, "What do you mean?" He says, "Do You like it here?" I says, "Well, sure I like it here. I have been here a long time, about 8 1/2 years or so." He says, "Oh, Hell, I don't mean this place." I said, Well, what do you mean?" He says, "This damn country." I said, "Why, certainly, I love it. After all, this is my country. He turned around and walked off. He didn't- say any more. And then after that a lot of times I would be looking for him and the engineer would be looking for him, and on quite a number of occasions when it would get to be a coffee break time, we usually go next door to the Crescent City Garage to get a Coke, and there he would be sitting in there drinking a Coke and looking at these magazines.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have a regular break time?
Mr. LE BLANC. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

In the shop?
Mr. LE BLANC. We had 9 o'clock in the morning and 1:30 in the evening. Each one of them was a l0-minute break.

Mr. Liebeler.

What time did you usually start work in the morning?"
Mr. LE BLANC. Well, I stared on different hours there for awhile. For awhile when he was there, I think I was around 8 to 5, and I pretty well stayed those hours as long as----

Mr. Liebeler.

Oswald was there?
Mr. LE BLANC. While Oswald was there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Except for the break periods, you were supposed to be at your job----
Mr. LE BLANC. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

In the plant?
Mr. LE BLANC. In the plant That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now what kind of supervision did Oswald have in .his work? You said that you took him around and tried to teach him how to do the job, but then after you finished breaking him in, at least as far as the fifth floor is concerned, he would be pretty much on his own, wouldn't he?
Mr. LE BLANC. No. I mean from the I started him on the fifth, and then he would work his way on down to the flint floor. See? The way I broke him in, I told him, "Make sure that you have got everything on that one floor," and I said, "If it takes you a day to do it, let it take you a day," I said, "but make sure that you have got everything greased and oiled and cleaned." And that is What he was supposed to do, and I told him, I said, "Then if you get finished the fifth floor, or whatever floor you are on, you can always work to the next floor." And then in the evening at 3:15 when the lines shut were down, we had these three machines that had to be cleaned, oiled and greased every day .and sometimes twice a day it all depends on how they ran and he had to see to it that each evening at 3:15 they was cleaned and greased.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now did he have anybody keeping track of him as a general proposition? He really didn't, did he? I mean, he was just----
Mr. LE BLANC. Well, the majority of the time he had somebody over him, but as a practice, I mean after you got broke in on your job, well, they wouldn't look after you keep looking after you. They figured, well, you knew your job and you would go ahead and do your job. But after awhile, well, they seen he was drifting off. Right to the last day before they let him go, why, we kept an eye on him, because we seen then that he wasn't doing, the work that he was supposed to be doing.

Mr. Liebeler.

He really wasn't doing the work?
Mr. LE BLANC. No.

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