Mr. Glover.

sure that De Mohrenschildt and his wife, Marina Oswald and Lee Oswald, and myself, and Volkmar Schmidt.

Mr. Jenner.

He was then living with you?

Mr. Glover.

Living with me. He was there. And of the other people, I have just a poor impression as to whether

Mr. Jenner.

What about Pierce?

Mr. Glover.

Pierce was not there, I know that.

Mr. Jenner.

Wasn't there anybody by the name of Fredricksen?

Mr. Glover.

He was not there.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know Fredricksen?

Mr. Glover.

You are talking about the first meeting? I know Fredricksen. He had his office next to me at the laboratory. He works also at the laboratory, so I know him quite well. He was not there.

Mr. Jenner.

You have exhausted your recollection now? There were additional persons present on this occasion, but you don't recall their names?

Mr. Glover.

I can recall names of people who might have been there, and I certainly wouldn't swear to it, because I really don't remember that well.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it a large party?

Mr. Glover.

There were quite a number of people for the small apartment. There may have been five or six, seven or eight more people.

Mr. Jenner.

There may have been five or six or seven or eight more people in addition to these you have named?

Mr. Glover.

Yes. Now I have an impression, and I may be completely wrong, that a man by the name of Richmond was there.

Mr. Jenner.

Richmond?

Mr. Glover.

I am not sure how you'd spell his name. I know they called him High Richmond, and he works at the, they call it SCAS, which is Southwest Center for Advanced Studies. He has taught physics at SMU. He may have been there. I do not know for sure. Sam Ballen might have been there, I don't know. I am not clear at all who might have been there.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, this was a dinner party or an evening party?

Mr. Glover.

Sort of a dinner.

Mr. Jenner.

What did the Oswalds look like and what was your impression of Lee Oswald? Tell me how the Oswalds were generally attired? Did anything impress you?

Mr. Glover.

Not well attired for clothing and shoes, those sort of things. I got the impression that they certainly were not perfectly well attired. As I remember, Oswald just wore an open shirt and a pair of pants. He wasn't dressed up at all. Some of the other people were dressed up.

Mr. Jenner.

Even though this was in February 1963?

Mr. Glover.

Well, I don't know. I got the impression that he was informally attired as opposed to formally attired, and his wife was also. That is the impression I got. Maybe she was dressed up more. Again, only impression I have is the informality of it as opposed to some of the other people who would be wearing suits. I can't remember what I was wearing at that time myself. I have the impression that they were different people than a lot of other people.

Mr. Jenner.

You did?

Mr. Glover.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

That would be true of each of them?

Mr. Glover.

About her, I don't know. It is hard to say. I don't remember much of an impression of her, except she was a quiet little girl with a baby over on the bed sofa.

Mr. Jenner.

She brought the child with her?

Mr. Glover.

I am pretty sure; yes. Now again, I believe so, but again, I am not a hundred percent sure.

Mr. Jenner.

On this previous occasion had she brought her child with her?

Mr. Glover.

I believe she always had her child with her.

Mr. Jenner.

To the best of your recollection, on that occasion, she had the child with her?

Mr. Glover.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What occurred that evening in the way of discussion?