Mr. Ofstein.

I was laid off by Sinclair Refining Co. and I registered with the Texas Employment Commission.

Mr. Jenner.

Did anybody in particular handle that over there at the Commission?

Mr. Ofstein.

I don't recall who the person was at the time.

Mr. Jenner.

A lady or a gentleman?

Mr. Ofstein.

I'm fairly certain it was a young lady and they sent me to Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.

Mr. Jenner.

Does the name Latham--Louise Latham trigger any recollection?

Mr. Ofstein.

The name is familiar--whether she was there or not--I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that name familiar in connection with the Texas Employment Commission?

Mr. Ofstein.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. I interrupted you--go ahead.

Mr. Ofstein.

I was sent there----

Mr. Jenner.

And with whom did you talk when you came there?

Mr. Ofstein.

I Was there early for the appointment and I talked to Leonard Calverly, who was the daytime foreman in the camera department, and he showed me around the place, and he talked to me and told me the final decision would be up-to Mr. Graef.

Mr. Jenner.

That's G-r-a-e-f [spelling]?

Mr. Ofstein.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

He is head of what?

Mr. Ofstein.

He is a supervisor in charge of the camera department, and I talked with him at approximately 9 o'clock and he seemed satisfied---he would give me a try as a trainee, and wanted to know when I could come to work, and I told him that morning and I went to work immediately.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you had any experience in the use of cameras?

Mr. Ofstein.

Not in the same type of cameras--no, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

What experience had you had in camera work?

Mr. Ofstein.

It had been strictly pleasure photography with smaller cameras.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you done any developing work?

Mr. Ofstein.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You had had some darkroom experience?

Mr. Ofstein.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Very much?

Mr. Ofstein.

Not a whole lot--no, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did either of these gentlemen inquire of you as to your experience in that direction?

Mr. Ofstein.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Both of them?

Mr. Ofstein.

I don't recall--I know that Mr. Graef did.

Mr. Jenner.

What kind of photography work does Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall do?

Mr. Ofstein.

It's strictly commercial--advertising type of photography. We make posters and poster effects and different types of effects for different advertising media newspaper, magazines, and so forth--billboards.

Mr. Jenner.

What kind of cameras are employed?

Mr. Ofstein.

I'm not sure of the brand, names we have.

Mr. Jenner.

I'm thinking more of the size, weight, whether they are portable or aren't portable, or whether they are fixed or aren't fixed.

Mr. Ofstein.

They are fixed,, they move on a track to determine the size of the copy that is photographed, and they have fixed mounted lenses in the walls.

Mr. Jenner.

And you move from one lens to another, is that the way?

Mr. Ofstein.

No, sir; you mount the copy to be photographed on the board and you move that board, and the board that you put your film on--to get it different sizes.

Mr. Jenner.

What is the character of the training?

Mr. Ofstein.

Mainly they start you out with doing small jobs--just normal--what we call straight shots. It amounts to getting a size and photographing it and developing it, opaquing the negatives, and making nice clean prints, and then as you progress you do more difficult type work.