Mr. Graef.

Correct---correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall inquiring of him the extent, if any, of his skills with respect to photography and his experience in that connection, if any?

Mr. Graef.

I don't recall; no. I believe I may have because this would be one of the normal things I would do in an interview. I think that he exhibited enough, as I recall--I think he exhibited enough knowledge that there again--about photography, that there was no curiosity raised on my part that he didn't know about it.
I'm almost certain that I generally just asked him one or two things about it and he answered them satisfactorily, or I would have, because that's the usual thing--I asked them about these things--artistic ability, any photographic experience, are you handy with your hands--they work with their hands a good deal, and all these things combined, would combine to make a topnotch man provided he worked.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Graef.

Provided he was industrious and wanted to do a good job. Well say he wasn't lazy--at the same time--so the various qualities I'm looking for in our type of work, in our department, are pretty hard to find all of them in one man. So, Lee came to work for us--I don't remember the exact salary; but it was about, oh, somewhere, I think about $1.35 or $1.50 an hour; somewhere in there.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that for a 40-hour week?

Mr. Graef.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Looking at Commission Exhibit No. 427 again, would you identify the handwriting and block printing on this Exhibit 427, if you can?
There appears the word "terminated" with the date 4-6-63, which I assume is April 6, 1963?

Mr. Graef.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In whose handwriting is that notation; do you know?

Mr. Graef.

I don't know; I don't know. Now, this is my handwriting--the date employed---October 12, 1962. I am almost positive that this is Lee's block printing.

Mr. Jenner.

That is the name "Lee Harvey Oswald"?

Mr. Graef.

"Lee Harvey Oswald," and the various data on this card--the social security number and the phone number.

Mr. Jenner.

In view of your testimony, I'd like to ask you about that. Now, there is a phone number there--is that LA-1- 0692?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

In view of what you said that he responded to your inquiry that he didn't have a phone number, how do you account for how that phone number got into the blocks there?

Mr. Graef.

Into this box here---at the time that I interviewed him, it was probably--then, I--after this card was written, he may have been employed here at our place, oh, perhaps a week or two before this card was brought in to him to sign.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mr. Graef.

In other words, I think because of the busy way the department runs, sometimes days will elapse before we get around to getting one of these to him and getting his social security number and so forth. In other words, he came to work and some days may have elapsed from the time, for example, that we had the interviews, there may have been some days passed before he actually came to work. Now, at this time, when I took this information down on my notes, my personal notes of the interview, there was no phone number, as I recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Graef.

Now, at the time I didn't notice this at all, but at the time that this was written, of course here the phone number is, so he obviously had a phone number at this time, but he didn't, as I remember, he didn't, because I didn't call him--I don't believe.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, do you recognize the handwriting in Which that phone number and the social security number are?

Mr. Graef.

Yes; I am pretty sure that that is Lee's printing.