Mr. Graef.

and it's an employee identification questionnaire, of our firm Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you have had a card, would it still be retained in your files for the other people you might have interviewed?

Mr. Graef.

No. No--I wouldn't. Normally, when the Texas Employment Commission sends someone over for an interview, I meet them and we sit down, of course, and discuss their past history, employment history, and the various personal histories of that person. The Texas Employment Commission sends a card over from them, telling who the bearer is and it also has a space on it that says "Was this employee hired?", which you will mail back to them and "Not hired," and the reason why you didn't hire them, and in every case, as I recall, the people whom I did not hire, I would just mark it in the appropriate space and drop it in the mail and it is returned to them.
So, of these two or three young men who came to me after--at this period, about October 1, Lee was one of them and seemed to me to be the most serious and a shade I'm searching for the right word--when I say "serious" and just a shade more determined, perhaps--he seemed like he had had a slight edge on the other one or two fellows that came there, and I thought--well-

Mr. Jenner.

I take it that you personally did the interviewing of all of these?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Including Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct. I had talked with this Mrs. Louise Latham, it's Mrs.--also each time she would call. Of course, I would notify her that I could use another employee and perhaps 3 or 4 days would go by until she saw, knowing these various things that I needed--she would call me and say, "I believe I have a young man who looks like a pretty good prospect" and so I would say, "Thank you." And she would send him over.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you now recited all of the things you indicated to her in connection with this particular employment or in employment need?

Mr. Graef.

I----

Mr. Jenner.

As to what you were looking for.

Mr. Graef.

Yes; I believe so.

Mr. Jenner.

Right.

Mr. Graef.

So, Lee came over and I met him in the outer office. He handed me the employment card from the Texas Employment Commission. This, as I remember, just has a name and address and who sent him, and then was he hired or was he not hired.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall how he looked--how he was attired, for example, on that occasion--that's a pretty big order?

Mr. Graef.

Yes--my memory fails me a little here, but it seems to me he wore a suit, a dark gay suit, modestly dressed and he was very businesslike and likeable.

Mr. Jenner.

You say your recollection doesn't serve you well as to his attire on this particular occasion?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

It could be that he did not have a suit--gray? A collar, or otherwise?

Mr. Graef.

It could have been, yes, but that's just an impression that hits my mind, but I could very easily be wrong.

Mr. Jenner.

Could he have had a white T-shirt and one of these lightweight zipper jackets on?

Mr. Graef.

No--no, definitely not.

Mr. Jenner.

Definitely not?

Mr. Graef.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

You have a definite recollection that he had a suit coat on?

Mr. Graef.

Yes, his appearance was as most young men would appear in applying for a job---tend to look nice and he made a nice appearance.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Graef.

So, he came in----

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, did he have a tie?

Mr. Graef.

Yes.