Mr. Stovall.

If you don't mind I would just put the others in there, too.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, I understand; some people under the circumstances you are in do obtain copies, so that they can keep them in the corporate records.

Mr. Stovall.

Well, it's from the standpoint of corporate records of all the interviews and questions and so forth that we have been through on this--we have nothing other than three receipts and somewhere down the line in the years to come I would like to have it.

Mr. Jenner.

You will find along the line in these depositions that they have covered everything that has been covered before and some more. We are able to probe a little more than those boys. They knew what they were after but they didn't have all the information that we have now.

Mr. Stovall.

Well, the men whom I have been in contact with have been nothing but nice.

Mr. Jenner.

Oh, yes; the Secret Service men are always nice.

Mr. Stovall.

They are gentlemen of the first degree.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, I can certify to that--they are very fine and very helpful, and greatly grieved over this as everybody else is.
That's all and thank you very much for coming.

Mr. Stovall.

All right. Thank you.

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John G. Graef

Testimony of John G. Graef

The testimony of John G. Graef was taken at 9:20 a.m., on March 30, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Robert T. Davis, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you rise and be sworn, please, Mr. Graef?

Mr. Graef.

Certainly.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you solemnly swear in your testimony to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Mr. Graef.

I do.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Graef, I am Albert E. Jenner, Jr., and I am a member of the legal staff of the Commission appointed to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy, our President, and I think Mr. Rankin of the Commission sent you, or you have received from Mr. Rankin, a letter together with copies of the Senate Joint Resolution 137, creating the Commission, authorizing its creation, and President Johnson's Executive Order 11130, appointing the Commission and fixing its power and also a copy of the procedural regulations adopted by the Commission with respect to the taking of testimony.

Mr. Graef.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And you appear here voluntarily?

Mr. Graef.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Jenner.

The Commission, as you know from those documents, is appointed to investigate the Circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy, and particularly any facts and circumstances respecting the involvement of Lee Harvey Oswald, and that tragic event, and seeks to gain information from those who had some touch with his life, and we under stand you had some connection with him with respect to an early employment, in 1962, by Mr. Oswald, in your company--Jaggars, J-a-g-g-a-r-s [spelling], Chiles, C-h-i-l-e-s [spelling], Stovall, S-t-o-v-a-l-l [spoiling].

Mr. Jenner.

Off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Jenner and the witness, Graef, off the record.)

Mr. Jenner.

Our information is that Lee Oswald was an employee of Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall in October 1962; is that Correct?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you lived at 522, Browder, B-r-o-w-d-e-r [spelling]?

Mr. Graef.

No; that is the address of the firm--Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.