Mr. Jenner.

What was this man's skill to the extent that you recall, in these areas in which you sought to train him?

Mr. Stovall.

He had no skill. He had no training whatsoever. You see, we employed him only as a trainee and I think we probably started him at $1.25 or $1.35, or something like that, and automatically we give a youngster a 10- or 15-cent raise quarterly, but within 6 months, if they have shown no aptitude, we give up on them and have a parting of the ways.

Mr. Jenner.

And that is what happened here?

Mr. Stovall.

Yes; because we give them a raise doesn't mean that the person is competent, it means that it is just a system of employment we have when we start someone on minimum, or generally a 90-day basis, and we give them a nickel or dime, and then within a maximum of 6 months, if they have shown no aptitude, we just have to terminate them.

Mr. Jenner.

That's in fairness to them as well as to your company?

Mr. Stovall.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

You also turned over to the Secret Service the application for employment that Oswald made with Padgett Printing Co.?

Mr. Stovall.

Yes. I do not have that receipt with Padgett.

Mr. Jenner.

How did you come to have that, by the way?

Mr. Stovall.

The Secret Service on Saturday--I made contact with them--Mr. DePrato---this is his signature and I don't recall the other gentleman's name, and in our discussion, I mentioned the fact that I thought this fellow had sought employment with another company, but I didn't know what disposition had been made of it, and they asked would I call there, so while they were in my office I called, but there was no one there and I knew this fellow and I called his home and he is an astronomer as a hobby and he was giving a lecture to some students, so I made a contact with the person who was on the phone out here at the Astronomy Auditorium at the Fair, and he called me and I asked him could I get hold of this application for the Secret Service and he said "Yes," he would get it and bring it by, and in the meantime these fellows had gone somewhere else and I told them I would meet them Sunday in my office, so I did and gave it to them. The reason I had it--they asked me to secure it for them.

Mr. Jenner.

And you did?

Mr. Stovall.

And I did.

Mr. Jenner.

The expression "microdots" does that mean anything to you?

Mr. Stovall.

No; we have never gotten any micro filming processes whatsoever.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Stovall, your able employee, Mr. Graef, has given me a good deal of detail and has been very helpful and likewise you have been. Is there anything that I have failed to bring out here because I don't know about it or haven't been stimulated to do so that you think might be helpful to the Commission in its investigation?

Mr. Stovall.

I don't believe so. There was such a short period of time this fellow worked for us and he was a constant source of irritation because of his lack of productive ability, that----

Mr. Jenner.

Would you elaborate on that, please?

Mr. Stovall.

We would ask him to reduce a line to 4 inches in width, that happened to be 6, and he might make it 4 1/4 or 3 7/8, and this was a loss in labor and materials both, and it had to be redone.

Mr. Jenner.

Did this occur with greater frequency than you thought--than your people thought was permissible, having in mind the progress which you would expect of him or a man in his position to have attained?

Mr. Stovall.

Yes; that's true.

Mr. Jenner.

What about his relations with others in the company---other employees-how did he get along, or did that come to your attention?

Mr. Stovall.

I don't think anyone liked him or disliked him either one. He was just one of those people you don't know. If you don't know a guy, you can't know if you don't like him. That's probably the main reason we don't like him. Someone made mention in one instance that he bumped them in a dark room, which is a walkway area, and if a guy's bent over a tray and somebody else is coming by--he will get bumped, and it depends on who is doing the bumping, whether you get upset about it or not.