Mr. Glover.

much money, except possibly some money coming in from the oil leases and they didn't have lots of food. They didn't have anything but very simple food, simple clothes. They hadn't bought anything new. They had clothes from time before, which were quite expensive, but they did, however, have a nice car. But they didn't spend a lot of money and didn't seem to have a lot.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you say they attempted to live frugally?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; I would say they attempted to live frugally.

Mr. Jenner.

Speaking there about attire, in this connection, as evidence of their financial status or condition, do you recall mentioning to the FBI their tennis clothing and from time to time other clothing was quite informal, even to the extent of not being appropriate?

Mr. Glover.

Well, Mrs. De Mohrenschildt used to wear a bathing suit all the time when she was playing tennis, one piece bathing suit, in which the lower half was sort of Bikini like. And George just wore a pair of shorts. That is accepted attire for a man tennis player. We used to go to the Dallas Athletic Country Club east of the city to play, sometimes, because Sam Ballen had a membership, and she was told it is against the rules to appear on the courts with a bathing suit.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me about Sam Ballen. Who is he?

Mr. Glover.

Sam Ballen, I met him in the way I told you, and he told me that he had been in the stock market business in New York, and came here to organize a company which deals in cataloging, and has a library for oil well logs. These are the records of the physical measurements made in the oil well, and apparently was very successful in doing this. I have known him for the past 2 years--I met him actually when I told you; at Lauriston Marshall's house sometime in 1962, I guess.

Mr. Jenner.

Is Ballen a friend of Mr. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover.

Ballen is a friend of the De Mohrenschildts.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it your impression that they were closely acquainted?

Mr. Glover.

Fairly well, yes; closely acquainted.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you play tennis together with Mr. Ballen and the De Mohrenschildts on more than one occasion? Did you continue to have this acquaintanceship subsequent to that first occasion about which you have testified?

Mr. Glover.

Very much so; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Were there occasions thereafter--social events, parties, visits in the home, and what not, that Sam Ballen participated?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; there were occasions, although the main association was that we played tennis together. We made a very good team. We have about the same degree of skill at it; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Does he reside here in Dallas?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; he does.

Mr. Jenner.

He still stays--lives here?

Mr. Glover.

As far as I know.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know of a company with which he is associated?

Mr. Glover.

I do not know the name offhand.

Mr. Jenner.

And that his name is spelled B-a-l-l-e-n, and his first name is Samuel?

Mr. Glover.

I just call him Sam. I don't know whether his name is Samuel or not.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know anything about the De Mohrenschildts' views toward religion?

Mr. Glover.

They are very much against religion, I am quite sure. They don't think very much of organized religion at all.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have any information more definite than that? Are they atheistic, are they just--don't have any feeling one way or the other?

Mr. Glover.

Be hard for me to say. I would think probably that atheistic would be more the correct term, but I don't recall specific remarks that they made.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have any impression, and do you now, as to any political affiliation of the De Mohrenschildts together or separate?

Mr. Glover.

Any kind of affiliation?

Mr. Jenner.

Political or otherwise.