(Testimony of Mrs. Helen P. Cunningham)
Mr. Jenner.
Do you notice any personality quirks or qualities or attributes in Marguerite Oswald as you observed her on television and her son, Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. Cunningham.
There is a driving in the woman that I did not see in the son. There is a strident of voice in the mother as she comes through to me on television that was not in the son. He was very self-contained.
I didn't probe for information because I was trying to meet the immediate need and to deal with the employment problem, only, sir, and then we also have workload and time pressures on us, as you well know in any job there are that.
We have applicants who are waiting to be interviewed and I guess now, with hindsight, I'm sorry that I didn't--but that's hindsight.
Mr. Jenner.
Do you have capabilities in that area?
Mrs. Cunningham.
Sir?
Mr. Jenner.
Do you have capabilities in the area of inquiry into personality--when I said "capabilities"--first, do you have any training in that area? You necessarily have some experience, I am sure formal training, let me put it that way.
Mrs. Cunningham.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner.
I'm going to get into your overall training in a little bit.
Mrs. Cunningham.
I hesitate to say this, because the pressures are with us in the Texas Employment Commission, to do a limited job on the vocational employment thing, because that is our emphasis and that is as right, but I have to say that I think a life is a unit and that you can't take a slice out of it and look at it alone and be very effective, nor that a human being can cut away from all his past, nor his associates, nor the other things that are affecting him and so I try to approach an individual, when time permits and when it seems like it might be effective in his vocational life, to get some information about other parts of his life.
Mr. Jenner.
All right. Now, I got you off on this because I asked you what the "B" in the circle meant--may we go back to that?
Mrs. Cunningham.
I thought I had answered completely.
Mr. Jenner.
I think you have, but as I say, I got you off on it when we reached that point--I interrupted you.
Mrs. Cunningham.
The entries on the application form, E-13 (Cunningham Exhibit No. 1) below "do not write below this line"--none are in my handwriting and they are not counseling records. They are referral placement records.
Mr. Jenner.
Now, does the recording there indicate a reference of a job to the applicant and the result of that reference what happened after the reference was made?
Mrs. Cunningham.
The record is not absolutely complete, but in general--yes--and some line entries--yes.
Mr. Jenner.
Would that form necessarily indicate if the applicant refused the position as distinguished from the possibility, for example, that the employer, when he interviewed the applicant, concluded that he did not wish to employ him?
Mrs. Cunningham.
There is some indication of each, yes.
Mr. Jenner.
Now, taking those entries, would you comment on each of them in that respect, taking them seriatically and tell us about it.
Mrs. Cunningham.
On the first line entry, in the column headed "Call" there is a dash. That indicates to me that the applicant was not called in, that he was in the office and referred to the placement section. On the same line, under the word "referred" there is a date 10-8, which is struck through, and above that is written "10-10" and then under the heading, "Employer or agency," I am reading the entry there, "Harrel and Harrington, architects ;" under Job title or purpose, the word "Messenger"; under the abbreviation for duration, the letter "P" which indicates a permanent job; under "pay", I am reading $1.50.
Mr. Jenner.
Per hour?
Mrs. Cunningham.
The hour is not indicated--that is inferred. There is no entry under "results". On the same line under "remarks" are the initials "LL".
Mr. Jenner.
Whose initials are those?
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