(Testimony of James Herbert Martin)
Mr. Dulles.
When was this approximately? Just after she moved to the Fords or how long after she moved?
Mr. Martin.
No, she left my home on Sunday, went to Denton to live with Robert, came back to the doctor, Dr. Bishop, on Tuesday, and came over to the house to pick up some of her belongings, and----
Mr. Redlich.
Excuse me, just so the Commission has the date straight, the Sunday you are referring to when she left is the Sunday after her appearance before this Commission?
Mr. Martin.
Yes.
Mr. Redlich.
That would be the 9th of February, is that correct?
Mr. Martin.
Right.
Then on Tuesday, which would be the 11th, she came back to the house, and wanted to move back in.
Representative Ford.
Who drove her, how did she get there?
Mr. Martin.
Vada Oswald, Robert Oswald's wife.
Mr. Redlich.
Are you finished with what you were about to say?
Mr. Martin.
It just seemed strange to me that a sudden move should be made like that and then within two days after that, it was Tuesday, and Wednesday. Thursday and I received a letter from her discharging me as her manager or attempting to discharge me.
Representative Boggs.
I was asking you about intelligence and that sort of thing.
This would not indicate that sort of thing to you, would it?
Mr. Martin.
No, but the whole thing seemed to be a kind of a preplanned thing.
Mr. Redlich.
Will you spell that out in more detail because when Congressman Boggs asked you questions as to whether Mrs. Oswald might be part of Soviet intelligence you replied you are now beginning to wonder, and you also replied you wonder if you have been made a patsy.
Could you, in your own words, explain that answer in greater detail?
Mr. Martin.
Of course, not knowing how a spy would work or anything, I have no knowledge of anything of this sort, this whole thing shows a lack of gratefulness or something, and actually she showed the same thing with Mrs. Paine. She lived with Mrs. Paine for quite some time. Then Mrs. Paine has been trying to contact her consistently for, well, ever since the assassination, and we have passed letters to her, letters from Mrs. Paine to Marina, wherein she has asked Marina to at least call her or do something, and Marina doesn't want to have anything to do with her.
Mr. Redlich.
Has Marina given you a reason for that?
Mr. Martin.
She said she doesn't like her.
Mr. Dulles.
Do you know why it was that Robert Oswald advised her not to go back to the Paines or did you know that he did?
Mr. Martin.
I knew that he did.
Mr. Dulles.
Do you know the reason for that?
Mr. Martin.
No. He said he just didn't like her.
Mr. Dulles.
He gave no reasons?
Mr. Martin.
No.
Mr. Redlich.
And Mrs. Oswald, Marina Oswald, gave no reason to you as to why she didn't like the Paines?
Mr. Martin.
No, I think it is because Robert didn't. That is a thought.
Mr. Redlich.
You said that----
Mr. Martin.
She has expressed that.
Mr. Redlich.
You said that you were beginning to wonder whether this is a preplanned affair. What do you mean by that?
Mr. Martin.
Well, I don't mean preplanned from the very beginning, but I think probably sometime in December from then on it might have been planned.
We have accumulated for her a considerable amount of money in story rights.
Representative Boggs.
How much?
Mr. Martin.
Well, on advances, this is not the ultimate or the end result, but just on advances, it is $132,000.
Mr. Redlich.
Mr. Martin, you are reading from a document. Is that something----
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