Mr. Oswald.

that she asked the assistance of a police officer, and that apparently she did not have any other difficulty.
It is my understanding at that time that she did purchase either some baby clothes or perhaps some clothes for herself.

Mr. Jenner.

And this was all related to you by your mother?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And does that exhaust your fund of knowledge as to any shopping trips or visiting and shopping at a local shopping center or stores by Marina?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir--prior to November 1963.

Mr. Jenner.

November 22, 1963?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes. sir; that is correct.

Mr. Dulles.

The diary, or memorandum, has considerable information, may recall, with purchases that were made by others for Marina and the child, as I recall.

Mr. Jenner.

That was afterward.

Mr. Dulles.

That was afterward?

Mr. Oswald.

If I may, sir, I do recall another instance.
In the presence of myself, Lee Harvey Oswald and Mrs. Marina and the baby June Lee Oswald, approximately the middle of June the occasion was a grocery shopping for my family and for----

Mr. Jenner.

June of 1963?

Mr. Oswald.

Thank you, sir. June of 1962. And this was to my knowledge----

Mr. Jenner.

Your statement 1963 was a slip of the tongue?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.
And there was, to my knowledge, at that time the first occasion that Mrs. Marina Oswald had ever been in a supermarket of the nature that is found in the United States.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us about the occasion.

Mr. Oswald.

I remember the occasion quite vividly. If you ever have the opportunity, sir, to take a person of that nature into a supermarket or an average size store, and watch the expression on their face, as to the magnitude of the food and the variety of the food that was in her presence--and I believe for the first time to any extent--it was quite a pleasant observation, I might add, sir. She was quite overwhelmed.

Mr. Jenner.

Surprised and overwhelmed?

Mr. Oswald.

Surprised----

Mr. Dulles.

There is nothing like it in Minsk.

Mr. Oswald.

I feel certain, sir, there is not.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you get the impression that her reaction was such to indicate that at least she had never seen anything of this nature?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; I was of the exact opinion she had not seen anything anywhere comparable to that in the nature of a food store.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, did you get the impression this was a spontaneous reaction on her part?

Mr. Oswald.

Most certainly it was, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

She was not putting on an act to impress you and Lee and anyone accompanying you?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

This is of interest, Mr. Chairman, particularly the spontaneity.

Mr. Dulles.

Was that in Dallas or Fort Worth?

Mr. Oswald.

This was in Fort Worth, Tex.

Mr. Jenner.

This is while they were living with you, Mr. Oswald?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

How did this arise? Did you just decide--was this part of showing her Fort Worth, or was it developed from desiring to go to the super-market to purchase something, or was it a combination of both?

Mr. Oswald.

Sir, I believe it was a combination of both.
If I might add, the store that I went into was not the store that I usually purchased groceries from.

Mr. Jenner.

You were leading--you were doing the leading of this party?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.