Mr. Oswald.

I recall asking him how his trip was from Russia to New York City by boat. I asked him what route they had traveled, and he advised me then, that is as I believe he advised me in one of his letters, the first one, was to go from Minsk to Moscow and then from Moscow to Holland, I believe, to board a ship that touched at England, and from England to New York City.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he or they----

Mr. Oswald.

He.

Mr. Jenner.

This is a conversation with him?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes sir, that is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have any conversation with Marina on this subject or in her presence?

Mr. Oswald.

Not that I recall, no, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

But he did state specifically that they had gone to Moscow?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And from Moscow to where?

Mr. Oswald.

To Holland, if my memory serves me correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say, did he indicate, how they had traveled from Moscow to Holland, by what means of conveyance?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir, he did not.

Mr. Jenner.

Was anything said about how long they stayed in Moscow before they took off for Holland?

Mr. Oswald.

In this discussion, I do not recall that he did, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And did he say how long they stayed in Holland, if they stayed there at all?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir, he did not.

Mr. Jenner.

But you do recall his stating specifically they touched England in the sense that the ship--

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; for supplies or for some other reason, it appeared not to be, I say appeared, I assume it was not a very long stay there and that they did not leave the ship.

Mr. Jenner.

He did state that they did not leave the ship at that point?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir; this is an assumption on my part-the way he put it to me.

Mr. Jenner.

And they proceeded from there directly to New York Harbor, New York City.

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; that is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

By what means? And he did report that to you?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did this series of letters you received in the early portion, period of his stay in Russia excite your suspicions as to whether he was or might be a Russian agent?

Mr. Oswald.

If I understand the question correctly this was the early stay of his in Russia in 1959?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, sir, 1959 and let us say to the early part of 1961.

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have any occasion to discuss that subject during this period of time with your mother or she with you?

Mr. Oswald.

Prior to his return in 1961 she did discuss this with me.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.
Where did this discussion take place?

Mr. Oswald.

If I may fix the date approximately, sir, if you could give me the date of her trip to Washington, D.C.

Mr. Jenner.

You have me at a disadvantage because Mr. Liebeler has been called out and he can furnish that. I don't want to guess at it.

Mr. Mckenzie.

May I then ask if possibly the Chairman might recall?

Mr. Dulles.

The date of that visit to Washington?

Mr. Mckenzie.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

No, I don't think I do.

Mr. Mckenzie.

Possibly Mr. Rankin might know.

Mr. Jenner.

Our information was that that was January 26, 1961.

Mr. Oswald.

Thank you, sir. If I may have, the question again, please.
(The question was read by the reporter.)