Mr. Jenner.

there were two occasions. I did ask you to state the detail of one of the occasions which was in the Six Flags Motel in Dallas.
Would you please state where the second conversation took place and who was present and what was said?

Mr. Oswald.

The second conversation took place over the telephone in a call that originated from my mother's house in Fort Worth, Tex., to my home in Denton, Tex.
I do not know if my wife was present at my end or who was present on the other end, at my mother's home.

Mr. Jenner.

You recognized her voice?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner.

It was your mother?

Mr. Oswald.

It was my mother.

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say on the subject?

Mr. Oswald.

She was still pursuing this question or this speculation as far as I am concerned that Lee was an agent of the CIA, and that she was going to be able to, I believe use used the word "concrete", to be able to concretely establish that with the officials.

Mr. Jenner.

You fixed that as having occurred subsequent to the occasion in the Six Flags Motel?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Can you fix the time of the second occasion more definitely than that it followed the other?

Mr. Oswald.

I would say this was approximately during the week of December 9, 1963.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it before or after her trip to Washington which you have testified about when Mr. Ford questioned you?

Mr. Oswald.

This was before her trip to Washington.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, when your mother returned from Washington, when she made her trip here about which you testified in response to questions from Representative Ford, did she say anything about her claim or speculation, as you put it, that your brother was or might have been an agent of the CIA or some other agency of the United States?

Mr. Oswald.

I have not talked to my mother since she has been to Washington.

Mr. Jenner.

I see. So there has been no claim by her to you since the occasion of the second conversation which was a telephone call?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

During the time of your youth and your association with your brother Lee you testified this morning of the normal interest of boys in firearms. You have also testified that your brother Lee was right handed. Did you ever see him handle even a toy pistol or a cap gun other than with his right hand?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir, not that I can remember. You, of course, recall sometimes when maybe he was Two-Gun Pete, so to speak.

Mr. Jenner.

He was what?

Mr. Oswald.

He was Two-Gun Pete, so to speak, when we were playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians, where he would have two guns.

Mr. Jenner.

With the exception of having two guns when he had one he had it in his right hand?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

What ever type of playing, shooting, sitting, or otherwise, he always had the pistol, rifle or cap gun in his right hand?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You said you were using B-B guns. Were there occasions when Lee also occasionally shot a B-B gun rifle?

Mr. Oswald.

Not to my knowledge, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

I have a recollection that when he was mustered out of the service in September of 1959 he spent two or three days at home in Fort Worth.

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And there was an occasion when you and he and some friends of yours went on a hunting trip.

Mr. Oswald.

My brother-in-law.