Mrs. Oswald.

In January after the new year. I don't remember exactly.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you remember why you moved from Elsbeth to Neely Street?

Mrs. Oswald.

I like it better on Neely Street. We had a porch there and that was more convenient for the child.

Mr. Rankin.

What size apartment did you have on Neely Street?

Mrs. Oswald.

The same type of apartment.

Mr. Rankin.

Was the only difference the terrace then?

Mrs. Oswald.

Yes, except that it was on the second floor. It was a second-floor apartment.

Mr. Rankin.

Was the Elsbeth Street apartment a first-floor apartment?

Mrs. Oswald.

Yes.

Mr. Rankin.

What about the rent? Was there a difference in rent between the two places?

Mrs. Oswald.

No, it was the same rent. It is perhaps even less. It seems to me it was $55.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you have any differences with your husband while you were at Neely Street?

Mrs. Oswald.

No. Well, there are always some reasons for some quarrel between a husband and wife, not everything is always smooth.

Mr. Rankin.

I had in mind if there was any violence or any hitting of you. Did that occur at Neely Street?

Mrs. Oswald.

No. That was on Elsbeth Street.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you recall what brought that about?

Mrs. Oswald.

Not quite. I am trying to remember. It seems to me that it was at that time that Lee began to talk about his wanting to return to Russia. I did not want that and that is why we had quarrels.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you have discussions between you about this idea of returning to Russia?

Mrs. Oswald.

Yes. Lee wanted me to go to Russia. I told him that that--Lee wanted me to go to Russia, and I told him that if he wanted me to go then that meant that he didn't love me, and that in that case what was the idea of coming to the United States in the first place. Lee would say that it would be better for me if I went to Russia. I did not know why. I did not know what he had in mind. He said he loved me but that it would be better for me if I went to Russia, and what he had in mind I don't know.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you know when he first started to talk about your going to Russia?

Mrs. Oswald.

On Elsbeth Street.

Mr. Rankin.

Do you remember any occasion which you thought caused him to start to talk that way?

Mrs. Oswald.

No, I don't

Mr. Rankin.

Do you know why he started to hit you about that?

Mrs. Oswald.

Now, I think that I know, although at that time I didn't. I think that he was very nervous and just this somehow relieved his tension.

Mr. Rankin.

Did you observe sometime when you thought he changed?

Mrs. Oswald.

I would say that immediately after coming to the United States Lee changed. I did not know him as such a man in Russia.
Mr. RANKIN Will you describe how you observed these changes and what they were as you saw them?

Mrs. Oswald.

He helped me as before, but he became a little more of a recluse. He did not like my Russian friends and he tried to forbid me to have anything to do with them.
He was very irritable, sometimes for a trifle, for a trifling reason.

Mr. Rankin.

Did he tell you why he did not like your Russian friends?

Mrs. Oswald.

I don't know why he didn't like them. I didn't understand. At least that which he said was completely unfounded. He simply said some stupid or foolish things.

Mr. Rankin.

Will you tell us the stupid things that he said?

Mrs. Oswald.

Well, he thought that they were fools for having left Russia; they were all traitors. I would tell him he was in the same position being an American in America but there were really no reasons but just irritation. He said that they all only like money, and everything is measured by money. It